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Poster: billydlions Date: Jul 23, 2010 6:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: For you 1968 Freaks

I see Charlie Miller has just released soundboards for 3/29, 3/30 and 3/31-seeding at Workingmans. The setlists look very good (and some songs not typical for 1968?)! Does anyone have opinions on these shows?

Grateful Dead - March 29, 1968
Carousel Ballroom - San Francisco, CA

Recording Info:
SBD -> (4 Track) Master Reels -> Dat (44.1k)

Transfer Info:
Dat (Sony R500) -> Adobe Audition v3.0 -> Samplitude Professional v11.03 -> FLAC
(1 Disc Audio / 1 Disc FLAC)

All Transfers and Mastering By Charlie Miller
charliemiller87@earthlink.net
May 30, 2010

Notes:
-- There is a lot of audience mixed in with this soundboard
-- A lot of song intros are cut
-- Born Cross Eyed cut at start
-- The first 4 songs were previously mislabeled as being from 3/26/68
-- Thanks to Rob Eaton for lending me his Dats
-- Thanks To Joe B. Jones for his help with the pitch correction

Setlist:
d1t01 - Good Morning Little Schoolgirl
d1t02 - Death Don't Have No Mercy
d1t03 - Sitting On Top Of The World
d1t04 - Dark Star
d1t05 - Morning Dew
d1t06 - Turn On Your Lovelight
d1t07 - That's It For The Other One ->
d1t08 - New Potato Caboose ->
d1t09 - Born Cross Eyed

Grateful Dead - March 30, 1968
Carousel Ballroom - San Francisco, CA

Recording Info:
SBD -> (4 Track) Master Reels -> Dat (44.1k)

Transfer Info:
Dat (Sony R500) -> Samplitude Professional v11.03 -> FLAC
(1 Disc Audio / 1 Disc FLAC)

All Transfers and Mastering By Charlie Miller
charliemiller87@earthlink.net
May 30, 2010

Notes:
-- There is a lot of audience mixed in with this soundboard
-- Death Don't Have No Mercy cuts off in the first verse
-- Thanks to Rob Eaton for lending me his Dats

Set 1:
d1t01 - Morning Dew
d1t02 - That's It For The Other One ->
d1t03 - Dark Star ->
d1t04 - China Cat Sunflower ->
d1t05 - The Eleven ->
d1t06 - Turn On Your Love
d1t07 - Born Cross Eyed ->
d1t08 - Spanish Jam ->
d1t09 - Death Don't Have No Mercy

Grateful Dead - March 31, 1968
Carousel Ballroom - San Francisco, CA

Recording Info:
SBD -> (4 Track) Master Reels -> Dat (44.1k)

Transfer Info:
Dat (Sony R500) -> Adobe Audition v3.0 -> Samplitude Professional v11.03 -> FLAC
(1 Disc Audio / 1 Disc FLAC)

All Transfers and Mastering By Charlie Miller
charliemiller87@earthlink.net
June 13, 2010

Notes:
-- There is a lot of audience mixed in with this soundboard
-- Date and song order are uncertain (I'm going with Dick's notes on DAT)
-- This is the same Caution>Feedback>AWBYGN as I put on 1/22/68 (Per Dick's notes)
-- Cut in the beginning of Turn On Your Lovelight
-- Severe mix changes during Dancing In The Street
-- Beginning of Caution is missing
-- Thanks to Rob Eaton for lending me his Dats
-- Thanks To Joe B. Jones for his help with the pitch correction

Set 1:
d1t01 - Turn On Your Lovelight
d1t02 - Beat It On Down The Line
d1t03 - Dancing In The Street
d1t04 - Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks) ->
d1t05 - Feedback ->
d1t06 - And We Bid You Good Night








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Poster: Jim F Date: Jul 24, 2010 3:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: For you 1968 Freaks

The big thing for me is finding out that these were actually 4 track soundboards. I always thought they were made with mics onstage. Apparently what we have is kinda similar to 9/2/68, an early matrix of sorts with a HEAVY aud emphasis.

I would be most curious to hear more info about the 4 track reels. I'm guessing that 2 of the tracks were probably a stereo mix from a sbd recording feed, and the other 2 tracks were mics onstage, or very nearby, for added ambiance? I'm guessing Eaton's Dats were the direct mixdowns from the 4 track? Lots of questions to be asked...

I've personally always been really interested in all of those DAT copies of the master reels/cassettes, 90% of which always seem to have Eaton's name attached. I never like asking too many questions about who has done the transfers of the masters, usually if it's a cassette I assume it was Dick, but the same could go for DATs as well. Anyway I gotta run, asking too many questions anyway...more comments later

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jul 24, 2010 9:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: For you 1968 Freaks

I see these shows are TJI now....(though ironically, one already can't be displayed...)

I've also wondered about Rob Eaton & how he got the run of the Vault. Friend of Latvala's?

It's interesting that the Dead wanted to do 'matrix' recordings this early.....perhaps they felt the straight SBD's weren't cutting it as far as getting the live sound down. Seems to have been a short-lived experiment...since these were at the Carousel, both Bear & Healy would've been there.
It would be nice to hear more details about the mixing, the mic setup for these '68 recordings... We won't get it from Miller though, he's very closemouthed about his sources. "4-track" is about as much detail as he ever gives.

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Poster: Jim F Date: Jul 25, 2010 12:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: For you 1968 Freaks

Personally I feel that these recordings should be listed as AUD's, partly because of the way they sound, but also for other reasons...

Anyway, I was alluding to Eaton earlier. Among all of us freaks there are so many names that get tossed around with great reverence: Miller, Latvala, Lemiuex, Walker, Cantor, Menke, Moore, Bertrando, Hohlwein, etc. (apologies to the many others instrumental in getting these tapes out). But Eaton is rarely among them. I find this somewhat ironic as his name is attached to just about everything that comes out nowdays. So many of Charlie Miller's transfers have "thanks to Rob Eaton for lending me his dats" in there somewhere. We know so much about the transfers of his tapes when they get into people like Charlie's hands, but next to nothing about how Eaton copied the masters, when, what equipment was used, etc. It's pretty well known that he was a taper back in the day and of course his involvement with DSO, but he seems to be a bit of a "man behind the curtain." The Latvala connection seems pretty obvious, esp as there are things like Charlie's comments in the 3/31 notes about "going with Dick's notes on DAT" regarding the date and such. He also thanks Eaton for lending him the dats on that one. I imagine for whatever reason Dick must have been feeding Eaton DATS on a regular basis, and one can only speculate on Dick's personal stash of tapes and what became of them when he died. But I guess we don't really need to know. It's probably best that people like Charlie keep pretty closemouthed about such things.

Anyway, these Carousel 68 tapes...yeah, I would love to know more about the masters, the mic setup, etc., but either way I don't care if we ever know as it's great to see fresh, crisp, professional transfers of these shows. 3/30 has long been a favorite of mine since obtaining it sometime in the 90's. The Dark Star, while still primitive, is a real gem, and as noted, is the longest known yet. The Other One sequence is great as well, but my favorite piece of the show is probably the Chinacat>Eleven. I think this was the first time I ever heard the pairing. I love any Eleven, and these earliest of versions are just as powerful as any of the latter versions.

I've had the 29th for some time as well, but it never got much play around here for some reason. While I know the show from the 30th like the back of my hand, I have little to no memory of the playing on the 29th. These new transfers, along with the previous post about the New Potato, gives me good reason to revisit the performance.

The 31st is such a short excerpt, but it makes for good filler when burning up any other early 68 show. I've always been a bit puzzled by the piece of Caution that we have, it clearly sounds like the end of the version on Anthem, but the quality on the album is different than found on the raw tapes. When looking for 68 tapes, Caution has always been the one that grabbed my attention when seeing it on a list, it is always unfortunate when you find out that it's very short or is missing a big chunk (which seems to happen quite a bit with Caution's, as they usually came late in the show and always seemed to have an unfortunate cut/reel flip during some crucial transition into the beginning of the song or conversely into feedback or something). It is a shame that the show is so chopped up and partial, I imagine we are probably missing a really great Alligator>Caution or Eleven>Caution. Maybe it's on some missing reel that wound up on the cutting room floor when the album was made and will turn up someday. HIGHLY unlikely, but us 67/68 freaks will never give up hope on these sorts of things.

At any rate, any and all music from 1968 has been, is, and always will be special treasures in my collection that we are very lucky to have. Had it not been for their crazy aspirations for the Anthem album, we might not have any of these Carousel shows. God bless Dan Healy. And Charlie Miller as well, for being so generous enough to share these nice sounding transfers of some classic era GD.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jul 25, 2010 11:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: For you 1968 Freaks

3/29 is very nice (and longer now!), but it's more about individual songs than the seguefest of 3/30...even Dark Star just stops without segueing.

3/31 is a fuzzy date... Miller notes that the date and order of songs are uncertain - and he's opened up a can of worms by putting this same /Caution>feedback>Goodnight on 1/22/68 (per Dick's notes). But apparently even he's not sure which date this section belongs to. Before, I was saying aha, 1/22 is complete! - now I'm not too certain - maybe Dick was just guessing, and this is 3/31 after all.

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Poster: Jim F Date: Jul 26, 2010 12:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: For you 1968 Freaks

I don't hear the 1/22 possibility myself, the "3/31" Caution sounds different from the other Jan-Feb recordings, and more importantly it sounds so much like these very distinct sounding mixes from the Carousel in March. And there is the other thought that Bid You Goodnight doesn't show up until mid-March, but with so many holes in 68 that could never be said to be fact. Anything is possible, though, I guess.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jul 26, 2010 1:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: For you 1968 Freaks

You know, I agree with you now... It fit so perfectly into the missing gap of 1/22, and it even came from the Miller source, but the evidence is against that date! Quite the goose-chase on my part.
One thing I noticed on checking it again, the mix changes in Caution - the drums become much more up-front at about 3:30 into Caution, a sure sign of a matrix mix. And as it happens, the Dancing in the Streets from 3/31 also has a huge mix change - the 'audience' sound disappears when they go into the solo, and it becomes a straight SBD. (For that matter, it was like that on the older 3/30 source too, but I hadn't noted it.)

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Jul 24, 2010 6:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: For you 1968 Freaks

micah6vs8 - that is nice to know, i feel i am a bit of a newb on here haha. to me, besides 72-74, the 68-69 era just can't be beat...i simply love everything about it :)

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jul 23, 2010 7:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: For you 1968 Freaks

Here's a previous thread where these shows (and the 26th) get discussed a bit:

http://www.archive.org/post/300024/tdihwell-kinda-sorta

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Jul 23, 2010 7:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: For you 1968 Freaks

Wow--thanks for the heads-up, BD!

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Jul 23, 2010 9:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: For you 1968 Freaks

love the 30th, the Dew, TIFTOO, china cat, spanish jam are all really nice, and especially the dark star which is short, but jerry is like Mozart on guitar in this version, just flowing and dancing through a wonderful dream-like jam. i'd call it my favorite of the 'embryonic' Stars before august '68 where the song really began to mature. it will be really nice to hear an SBD of this classic show!

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 23, 2010 10:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: For you 1968 Freaks

CC , I just noticed that we began posting @ the same time . You are 1 day ' older ' then me . And you are a '68 freak as well . Can not get enough of that year .

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jul 24, 2010 7:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: For you 1968 Freaks

Miller says this IS the SBD!

I also gave this Dark Star praise in my "Dark Star 1968" post...it's the longest one yet.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jul 23, 2010 6:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: For you 1968 Freaks

Looking forward to hearing the sound quality on these, they might sound much better than what we have...
It's interesting he says there's "lots of audience mixed in with the soundboard", as I always thought these were just straight audience tapes.

Some shifting-around of dates here - the "26th" tape is now part of the 29th (though our two tapes sound quite different), and the last 3 songs of the "30th" are now ascribed to 3/31.

By the way, I think you made an editing mistake, doesn't that New Potato>X-eyed from 3/31 belong to 3/29?

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Poster: billydlions Date: Jul 23, 2010 6:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: For you 1968 Freaks

Yup, sorry about that. Somehow my cutting & pasting got messed up. I've listened already to the 31st and 29th. The 31st has mediocre sound quality and Dancin sounds different from the rest- could it be a different show?

I like the 29th. Jerry rips a great lead on Sittin on Top- I wish they stretched that out a few more minutes. I also like the Dew-- really well done.

Up next is the 30th, I want to hear the Spanish Jam!

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jul 23, 2010 5:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: For you 1968 Freaks

3/29/68 really swings!

Cut from the much of the same cloth as the performances from January and February, it's always been one of my favorites of 1968. The New Potato Caboose is just fantastic, Garcia's soloing from 6:00 on is just sublime! Tragicly Born Cross Eyed is cut.